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Fabrice Neuman (00:05)
Hi everyone and welcome to the Human Pulse Podcast where we talk about living well with technology. I'm Fabrice Neuman, a tech consultant for small businesses.

Anne Trager (00:13)
And I'm Anne Trager a human potential and executive performance coach.

Fabrice Neuman (00:18)
This is episode 26 recorded on October 31st, 2025.

Anne Trager (00:23)
Human Pulse is usually never longer than 30 minutes, so let's get started. And Fabrice, since I grilled you last time about how you use notifications, I think that you might be getting tired of talking to me. So today we're going to have another guest.

Fabrice Neuman (00:37)
Yeah. Isn't that wonderful? Thank you very much. I agree with that.

So we have the pleasure to have with us Stephanie Thurrott Stephanie, you're a seasoned freelance writer and content creator with over 20 years of experience contributing to major platforms like today.com and Everyday Health and covering topics ranging from health and wellness to travel and food. You and your husband Paul's...

You split your time between the US, near Allentown, Pennsylvania and Mexico City. Together, you have written a digital Mexico City travel guidebook and you have a sub-stack newsletter focused on Mexico City called Eternal Spring and I think everybody should subscribe to that. ⁓

Stephanie Thurrott (01:26)
I agree, thank you.

Fabrice Neuman (01:29)
So during your career, you've seen ⁓ tech evolving from pen and ink editing of printouts to online collaboration to using AI for research and streamlining workflow. So I think you have quite a extended view of what happened.

Anne Trager (01:42)
Well it's great to have you on Stephanie. ⁓ So tell us, what does it mean for you to live well with technology?

Stephanie Thurrott (01:55)
that's obviously a good question, good topic for your podcast. For me, I thought about this and it's really broad. It's hard not to dive right into AI immediately because that's so big and so recent. But some of it goes back further than that. I I drive an 11-year-old car and when I rent a car, which I do if I take a road trip, it has adaptive cruise control. And it keeps me in the lane and I don't I can just connect my phone it has all these bells and whistles that my actual 11 year old car doesn't have and to me living well is driving from Pennsylvania to Massachusetts and not being tired when I get there because the car did 90 % of the work and I did 5 % of the work and you know I know there's a lot of controversy about self-driving cars but you know sign me up as soon as they're ready

Fabrice Neuman (02:55)
I have to underline something you just said, is what about the 5 % you left out of your description? ⁓

Stephanie Thurrott (03:02)
You have to keep your hand on the wheel. If you take your hand off the steering wheel, it beeps at you. That's the 5%. You literally don't have to do anything. Well, you have to drive when you're off the highway, but that type of trip is all highway. yeah, it just follows the car that's in front of you. If the car in front of you comes to a complete stop, your car comes to a complete stop. I mean...

Anne Trager (03:10)
Yeah

Stephanie Thurrott (03:30)
It's probably familiar to a lot of people, but to me it's magical.

Anne Trager (03:34)
⁓ Well, I love it. So I'm hearing a bunch of things. First of all is that there's like an energy management thing going on here that that when technology allows you to save energy and to put it to something else that you want to put it to, then that's living well. And I'm all for that, whether it's tech or anything else. mean, delegation is the same. You know, I delegate taking out the garbage, you know, so which saves me a lot of energy and I can put that energy someplace else.

Stephanie Thurrott (03:42)
Yes.

Stephanie Thurrott (04:04)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly.

Fabrice Neuman (04:04)
But you don't delegate that to tech, do you?

Anne Trager (04:07)
No, exactly. But that's what I'm saying is that this is a broader principle. So I hear that and I also heard you say that beautiful word of magic. so yeah, tech is kind of like magic, isn't it?

Fabrice Neuman (04:13)
But of course.

Stephanie Thurrott (04:14)
Mm-hmm. Yes.

yeah, it is.

⁓ Another thing I did recently and kind of coincidentally to this podcast is ⁓ Paul had a business trip to Hawaii and I tagged along and I did not do any work. I took three days to just read, relax, reset, refresh and I forced my, I would say forced, I allowed myself to be very conscientious about my use of tech and ⁓ I don't believe in the whole like detox thing, like put everything away permanent, you know, and just don't touch it because I think there's even when you're cutting back there's a balance but I just tried to be a lot more conscientious and aware of how often I just kind of if my phone is there I just look at it because it's there and I didn't check my email I didn't check any social media I didn't look at the news I just took a break from all that stuff but I still texted my kids I still looked at maps if I needed to find my way somewhere I mean it's not like you can't use it but…

But it made me aware of how much I turned to my phone without thinking and then it made me make some changes to that. Like move my email to a different screen. Just changing the image on my lock screen triggers something in my head to be like, and it doesn't matter what the image changes to. It could be palm trees in Hawaii, could be photos from here in Mexico City, but seeing something different makes me think, wait, why am I here?

Fabrice Neuman (05:54)
Hmph.

Stephanie Thurrott (05:55)
going to answer an email why am I looking at my email you know if I'm just looking at Facebook because I'm tired or bored what else can I do to not be tired or bored

Anne Trager (05:59)
Hmm. Hmm.

Nice, nice.

Fabrice Neuman (06:07)
Or maybe can you stay bored?

Stephanie Thurrott (06:10)
Or can I be bored? Right, right, yes. As a child I was bored quite a bit. Exactly, yes.

Fabrice Neuman (06:11)
Hahaha.

Anne Trager (06:11)
Yeah.

⁓ what? Yeah. What happens when I get bored? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Fabrice Neuman (06:21)
So you said that you didn't want to force yourself, but still did that require ⁓ an effort for you to do that for three days?

Stephanie Thurrott (06:30)
It did require an effort, but I feel like being out of my normal routine made it less of an effort because I always had a book next to me. I didn't have to look at email. I didn't get distracted by email because I was already looking at email for work-related reasons. I could just take it off. So I think being in a different setting and in a different routine made it a lot easier. And then the lesson was, how do you take what you've learned from this break and apply it when you know because when you have to send an email you're gonna see incoming emails so how do you balance that better

Fabrice Neuman (07:08)
Hmm

Anne Trager (07:09)
Okay, so what did you do? I mean, now you're no longer on vacation. So what did you do?

Stephanie Thurrott (07:15)
So I just stopped looking at email outside of business hours period because there's no reason for me. don't have work emergencies so anything that comes in after business hours can wait till the next day or till Monday. ⁓ So that was the big one. And yes it's still there in the day but ⁓ you know just finish like being more conscientious finish what you're doing.

Anne Trager (07:20)
Mm-hmm.

Stephanie Thurrott (07:42)
And then just because an email is there doesn't mean you need to read it right away and doesn't mean you need to respond to it right away. So kind of being aware of that trigger there.

Anne Trager (07:49)
Hmm. Hmm.

Do you have set times when you will look at your email correspondence or any other kind of interruption or do you just sort of have it on all the time?

Fabrice Neuman (07:55)
So

Stephanie Thurrott (08:04)
I tend to do...

I do a kind of a...

like a modified version of the Pomodoro technique anyway where I will set a timer for 30 minutes because 30 minutes is a good amount of time for me and when the timer stops I will, depending on how I feel, I feel like I want to just keep going, I'm in the zone with something I keep going, if I'm not in the zone I will take a break, get a glass of water, get up and move around and then check email because I'm kind of already at a little ⁓ bit of a break time.

Anne Trager (08:37)
Hmm.

Fabrice Neuman (08:37)
Hmm.

Stephanie Thurrott (08:38)
don't have notifications on my phone or my computer for when emails come in. I have to go to it to see what's there.

Fabrice Neuman (08:47)
My goodness, Stephanie, you're the perfect guest for our podcast. We talk about this a lot. And it seems that you've put a lot of thought in managing your work through technology, which leads me to the... So in the last episode, we talked a lot about ⁓ focus modes on our different devices. Do you use this kind of features to also manage your interruptions?

Stephanie Thurrott (09:14)
No, I don't use any specific technology. just don't.

I scale way back on notifications. Basically, just get notifications for phone calls and texts. So for the most part, I just set up some new banking stuff in Mexico and had to set up some notifications. And now I'm like getting sales and I have to change that. But generally, it's calls and texts because those can be relatively urgent. But I do kind of do like a like a screen level. If I'm writing something, I maximize that screen.

so I can't see anything else. I use a second screen for other things and then I also kind of group tabs in whatever web browsers If I'm working on something and I need to have research up on my second screen, I just have a set of tabs that's only pertinent to that. So I don't even see any of the other tabs on my screen. So I guess it's kind of just my own method, but I don't use like a specific focus, you know, locks me out from every...

Fabrice Neuman (10:11)
Mm-hmm.

Stephanie Thurrott (10:17)
else.

Anne Trager (10:17)
Yeah, but what I hear you're doing is that you're very attentive to your environment. And you mentioned it that when you were away, it was a different environment which allowed you to already reconsider what you were doing. And you made sure you had a book next to you and all of this other stuff so that you would not be, ⁓ you know, tempted to go back into your phone. And then what you're describing in your day to day is also related to environment.


Anne Trager (10:46)
how you set up your screen and how you, or screens in this case, is environment because that's where our attention is all of the time, it's on the screen. So if we have things popping up all over the place or have a bunch of windows open at the same time and visible, then our mind is managing all that information at the same time. So environment is really key, it sounds.

Stephanie Thurrott (10:52)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm, yes.

Mm-hmm, right, yes. Mm-hmm, yes.

Yeah, that's definitely key and I find personally, ⁓ like I work much better in my own office environment than I do anyplace else.

I'm just, comfortable there. have everything set up the way I like. have, you know, I have an office set up here in Mexico City and an office in Pennsylvania and they're set up pretty similarly. And like, can I work on a plane? Yes, I do because it's a long time with like not that much else to do. But I always kind of envisioned, you know, I will be one of those people who goes to work in a coffee shop or a library or, you know, wherever. Because especially when you work from home, which I've done for many, many years, you're kind of in a, like,

I feel like I would crave that variety but I don't. I like the stability of my familiar place, set up as it is and you know if I want to go to a coffee shop that's fine but go get a cup of coffee.

Anne Trager (12:01)
Mm.

Fabrice Neuman (12:02)
Hmph.

Anne Trager (12:08)
And I imagine.

Fabrice Neuman (12:11)
Yeah.

Anne Trager (12:12)
I imagine that that setup allows you to get quicker into your work and then quicker out of your work. know, that's what you, know, when you leave your office, you leave your office. And when you get into your office, your mind knows what it's doing and, you know, says, ⁓ here to work, okay, so you switch into work mode. And this is where, this is our superpower as humans is to create those spaces and those habits that allow us to be really, really efficient.

Stephanie Thurrott (12:20)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes.

Right. And wherever I've lived and worked from, which has been, you know, 20 plus years now, I've always had a space that I can step away from, like to your point. Like when work is done, I can walk away from that space, even if it's a small space and be somewhere else and not be, have that mental separation from the environment.

Fabrice Neuman (13:07)
That's the discussion we, because we also work from home, often have with people not basically understanding how anyone can work from home. know, people say, I'm sure you have those conversations too, or else, how can you do that? You know, I need to go to work so when I leave, I can do something else. And I think one...

Stephanie Thurrott (13:19)
Yes.

Fabrice Neuman (13:31)
A big part of the answer is what you just said is to have the opportunity to have a space for that, a separate space. So you don't work in your living room or in your bedroom. That's where, you know, bad things can happen. So yes, I understand that.

Stephanie Thurrott (13:38)
Mm-hmm, yeah.

Yeah.

Anne Trager (13:48)
And there's a lot of people suffered during confinement and whatever you call it, Yeah. And isn't there another one like at home something, whatever it's called. Shelter, shelter at home. Yes. And so a lot of people suffer during those shelter at home moments.

Fabrice Neuman (14:00)
That would be confinement during COVID.

Stephanie Thurrott (14:06)
Yeah. Shall stay home. ⁓

Fabrice Neuman (14:14)
Yes.

Anne Trager (14:17)
because, well, home was home, and then all of the sudden it became work, and it became school, and it became everything else. And it is very, very, very hard to manage. And so those of us, like the three of us here who have been working at home forever, know that, and we have our spaces set up, and it was just this intuitive thing. That's what you figure out that you do. And I learned to do it before there were blog posts that told me that I should be doing that.

Fabrice Neuman (14:22)
Yeah.

Stephanie Thurrott (14:39)
Mm-hmm.

Fabrice Neuman (14:45)
You

Anne Trager (14:46)
⁓

Stephanie Thurrott (14:47)
Get on.

Anne Trager (14:48)
And I suspect that you did as well, Stephanie, and you as well, Fabrice, because we're all pretty intuitive about those kinds of things. ⁓

Stephanie Thurrott (14:59)
Mm-hmm.

Fabrice Neuman (14:59)
Well, as far as this is concerned, it's mainly thanks to you because you had more experience than I did ⁓ when I started working from home. So thank you for that. And it reminds me, know, really, truly, it reminds me also about the during COVID, I have this vivid recollection of ⁓ this young woman. ⁓

She was working for one of my clients and so she had to work from home and she was a young mother with a six months old and all of a sudden she was living in Paris in a 60 square meter apartment. I'm sorry, I don't know what that does in square feet. We should do that. all of a sudden. OK, thank you. She had to work from home doing video conferencing and her husband too in that small of a place. And after a few weeks I could see her how she ⁓ became exhausted. So every time she called me in need for help, it was really emotionally charged because she was exhausted. So what you said is very important. Absolutely.

Anne Trager (15:49)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Stephanie Thurrott (16:11)
Mm-hmm.

Anne Trager (16:11)
Yeah, and no amount

of tech will actually help with that if you don't have the space and you are not able to set up what it is that you need in order to have those different spaces ⁓ for what you need to do.

Stephanie Thurrott (16:18)
Right.

Right.

Mm-hmm, yeah, exactly. It's funny because you mentioned the blogs that tell you how to do this and...

when the pandemic hit and everybody started working from home, of course, everybody started writing about how to work from home. And Paul and I both felt like we can't even write this thing because we've just done it so long. Like we don't even know what to say about it. Like it's just so ingrained. It's like part of our DNA. You just don't even know how to explain it to somebody else because you don't have any point of reference for it.

Anne Trager (16:40)
Yeah.

Fabrice Neuman (16:40)
I mean...

huh.

Anne Trager (17:01)
Yeah,

Fabrice Neuman (17:01)
Yeah, you would have needed something to compare it to.

Stephanie Thurrott (17:04)
Exactly, yes.

Anne Trager (17:04)
yeah, yeah. well, that's so funny because I did write a blog post because I was so tired of seeing these people who had been doing it for two weeks, like, say this stuff that was ridiculous, right? And I was like, no, I have to do something about this. know, so we had different reactions there. So, so interesting.

Stephanie Thurrott (17:13)
Exactly. Right.


Fabrice Neuman (17:27)
Shifting gears, because it seems that the use of technology is mostly around, or if we follow the conversation we just had, around work. And so what about technology outside of work? So when you close that office door of yours, does technology disappear?

Stephanie Thurrott (17:37)
No, of course not. And I mean, honestly, when it comes to not work stuff, lot of it is still on the screen because I've started using AI for kind of anything that needs... Anytime I think something's going to take a really long time, could I use AI for this? And a couple ways that's come up recently is ⁓ I'm planning a cruise with my college roommate. ⁓ Kind of came up suddenly, she had a friend that dropped out and so I was like, okay, I'm going to do this. And one thing I need to do that I don't normally do is buy travel insurance.

Because it's a cruise, it's with another person, if she had to cancel I wouldn't want to go. So this could be a half-day project, know, because I have no idea how to do this. So I put a bunch of parameters into AI and I was like, which, how do I buy travel insurance? And you know, three minutes later I had a good, yes, is it going to be the perfect solution? No, but I mean, if I spend $50 more on a travel insurance policy and I save three hours,

It's good enough for me, you know? And then I did the same thing with all the excursions on the cruise because it's overwhelming to choose from all these things. So I threw all this stuff into AI and I was like, okay, I don't care about spending the day on the beach. I don't want long bus rides. I want smaller group of things or things I can do on my own. Pick the best ones for me. Tell me what they are. I mean, this is until next summer. I'll still go through and look and make sure these are the kind of the best choices.

Stephanie Thurrott (19:24)
But it's just anytime I feel kind of overwhelmed, I can think, okay, can AI help me with this? ⁓ Newest one, sadly, Kelly was in a car accident on Tuesday. She's fine, but the car is totaled. So ⁓ Kelly has a habit of crashing cars and doing so when we are in Mexico. I would put in, how do I buy a car in Charlotte, North Carolina for less than

Anne Trager (19:44)
Yeah.

Fabrice Neuman (19:44)
Okay.

Stephanie Thurrott (19:54)
thousand dollars and it tells you the best makes and models, the places that you can go in this area, how to get a mechanic to come out and look for look at a used car to make sure you're getting a good deal, ⁓ kind of all those kinds of things. So those

Anne Trager (19:55)

If she's making a habit of it, you'd think she'd be picking up on some of those things already, right?

Stephanie Thurrott (20:15)
Exactly.

Fabrice Neuman (20:16)
Hahaha

Anne Trager (20:18)
important life skills, you know?

Stephanie Thurrott (20:21)
Yeah, so I guess those are some of my I mean, that's not technology in terms of well, that's all AI. So I'm still using a screen. ⁓ Another thing this goes back a few years, but ⁓

I was, Paul and I were both in a weird time frame with parenting and technology because now there's a lot of things you can track your kids, you can put blocks on your kids' phones and screens. We were kind of like on the edge of that or right behind that. Our kids are both in their 20s now so I kind of think we were like free range internet parents. We were not, I just hope we raised you well enough

good decisions on this because you're going to be a step ahead of us all the time anyway. ⁓ Which they were, but we also, we don't use any of those like Life360. The only time I track my kids on their phones is when they are taking a long drive. So I can just like make sure their car is still moving and that nothing has happened that we haven't heard about. But I don't, you know, like my kids are, they were teenagers and adults, I didn't need to track them all the time.

Fabrice Neuman (21:09)
Hmm.

Hmph.

Stephanie Thurrott (21:34)
And, you know, I don't know, it's kind of a weird generational thing.

Anne Trager (21:35)
And I love that terminology, use free range, digital parenting kind of thing. I mean, we were in the same spot. Yeah, we did it as well. It was very new.

Fabrice Neuman (21:48)
That's what we did,

Stephanie Thurrott (21:53)
Mm-hmm.

Fabrice Neuman (21:54)
But there was ⁓ one feedback though from our daughter and for those who don't know, ⁓ probably they understood, ⁓ listening to you Kelly's your daughter, Paul, your daughter with Paul. ⁓ Our daughter at some point, ⁓ not that long ago, maybe a year ago or a year and a half, told us, you know what, I think you should have taken my phone ⁓ at night time.

Anne Trager (21:58)
Mm-hmm.

Stephanie Thurrott (22:04)
Mm-hmm. Yes.

Fabrice Neuman (22:21)
more than you did, which is zero, because we did not. But she expressed a feeling of maybe I shouldn't have had my phone that ⁓ much with me.

Anne Trager (22:25)
Yeah. Yeah.

Stephanie Thurrott (22:25)
Yes.

Anne Trager (22:34)
that much.

Stephanie Thurrott (22:35)
Hmm, interesting.

Anne Trager (22:37)
So all of you parents out there, can, know, if you're still at it, ask. Ask your kids because they know.

Fabrice Neuman (22:40)
Ask your kids because you might be surprised about their answer. Yes, help me with that.

Anne Trager (22:48)
Yeah, yeah. And so, yeah, I just think that it was a different time and now there's actually a lot more research out there about what to do and what not to do. And there's some really good, ⁓ you know, advice out there as well.

Stephanie Thurrott (22:48)
Right, yep, yep.

Anne Trager (23:08)
And it's never all one thing and all another. It's kind of like your approach to detoxing. It's not like, take it all away. Because if you take it all away, what are these kids going to do? This is the world that we live in now. And then how can we all learn together what we're going to do with this?

Fabrice Neuman (23:29)
And we have to be quick on the uptake because it changes so rapidly. I'd like to go back to, so you said that during long trips you like to see on your screen your kid's car moving. ⁓ that mean, so do you share your ⁓ geographical position all the time or just when you travel?

Stephanie Thurrott (23:45)
You

Anne Trager (23:45)
Yeah.

Stephanie Thurrott (23:51)
No, no,

like in Google Maps, just turn it on for a set period of time until, you know, for the length of the trip or there.

Sometimes you can just turn on and then you kind of forget to turn it off so it might stay on for longer, but then it turns into a little, usually a joke. Well, depending on which direction, because like if Kelly is driving to Pennsylvania, ⁓ I'll happen to notice it's still on and you know, she's like in the room.

Fabrice Neuman (24:08)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Anne Trager (24:19)
Yeah. So we as a family have given each other consent and very specifically spoken about it and we renew the conversation on a regular basis to have our tracking, our location shared all of the And it works really well and we've been doing that for a really long time and we...

Fabrice Neuman (24:36)
Location shared, yeah.

Anne Trager (24:44)
frequently have the conversation in order to make sure that we all still agree. You know, that's just not assumed that everybody's okay with that. Yeah. Yeah.

Stephanie Thurrott (24:49)
Actually that's a good idea.

In all of our cases, ⁓ our kids are old enough now that that makes sense. I felt as though when my kids went off to college and they were older teenagers but still teenagers, I felt like it would add more stress to my life to look and see that. If I woke up at two o'clock in the morning and looked at my phone and saw that they weren't home, I'm like, what are they doing? Nothing good happens at this time.

Anne Trager (25:13)
Yeah.

right right. so it to protect yourself yeah there you go I get

Fabrice Neuman (25:19)
Mm-hmm.

Anne Trager (25:25)
it I get

Stephanie Thurrott (25:25)
Yeah, and now honestly,

Fabrice Neuman (25:25)
Okay.

Anne Trager (25:25)
it yeah yeah yeah

Stephanie Thurrott (25:26)
think Kelly goes to bed before I do. mean, know, Mark is our son. Mark has a full-time job and he keeps very regular hours because he has to get up, you know, for work. I know this probably isn't a big thing for you guys, but there was an 18-inning World Series game this week that he stayed up to watch 17 innings of until 3 o'clock in the morning his time and regretted it the next day. you know, yeah.

Fabrice Neuman (25:29)
Hahaha

Anne Trager (25:51)
Yeah.

Fabrice Neuman (25:51)
⁓ it's called maturing, right?

Anne Trager (25:55)
Yeah. Well, so we started those consent conversations when our daughter was very young and when she had the first phone. And she used to, there was a time when she would walk to school and walk back.

Stephanie Thurrott (25:56)
Yes, exactly.

Mm-hmm.

Anne Trager (26:12)
And the idea was that, you know, we had the conversation, even though she was a little bit too young to understand what it was, but we still had the conversation so that it was, you know, explaining what it was and so that she knew what was going on and all of that. And it was reassuring for everybody. And we've been having those conversations for so long, you know, that I don't actually ever look to see. There are occasions when I'll look to see when, you know, it feels like I'm expecting

Stephanie Thurrott (26:19)
Mm-hmm.

Anne Trager (26:42)
Somebody home and they're not home and I try to push it and not worry and work on my know stress control and you know whatever else is going on inside of my head and then I'll be like I can just check and see and make sure everybody's okay. And then it's so again it's for me you know.

Stephanie Thurrott (26:58)
Right, yes.

Fabrice Neuman (27:02)
Yeah

Stephanie Thurrott (27:02)
And there comes a time to, mean, I think, you know, my parents are still both in good health and together. So they and they're pretty much almost always together physically. So I don't do any tracking type stuff with them. But if something was to happen with one of them, I think that would be the time to have the conversation with the other one where it's like, hey, you know, you're you're living by yourself. You have you're spending a lot of time without another person there keeping an eye on you. Maybe it's time.

that we make sure that we have something set up going the opposite way with the generations.

Anne Trager (27:40)
Yeah, yeah.

I think some of this technology is really extraordinary and you can have fall detection and things like that, which is extraordinary because this is saving lives every day. just fabulous. ⁓ It blows me away that we can do that.

Fabrice Neuman (27:41)
Very true, yeah.

Stephanie Thurrott (27:48)
Mm-hmm. Yes. ⁓

And honestly, that kind of makes me think of another way that technology has made a huge difference in my family's life, which is kind of a niche use. Mark, our son, as you guys know, he's deaf. He uses a cochlear implant to hear. And yeah, he's 27 and he's had this thing for 25, 26 years. So it's not new technology. wasn't new when he got it. But it's amazing. mean, he lives his life and he

Stephanie Thurrott (28:32)
can communicate and he knows sign language, he can communicate with sign, he has deaf roommates and they all hang out in the mornings and keep it quiet and sign but then when it's time to go to work he can work and talk to his co-workers and I mean it's not new technology but that's another technology that to me is magical and I see so much more coming down the road with technology that can help people overcome challenges.

Anne Trager (29:00)
Hmm.

Yeah, no, I mean and and you're so right that is such extraordinary technology the cochlear implant and it's been around for a long time and I imagine it's just getting better and better and along with some of these other technologies that allow people I was listening to a podcast about that recently as well that allow people who who have had straight strokes and things like that to to express themselves again and

Stephanie Thurrott (29:13)
Mm-hmm.

Anne Trager (29:28)
I mean, it's just extraordinary. mean, truly magical. And so if we wrap this up as we're coming along to our 30 minute mark, ⁓ maybe that's the word. Living well with technology is like embracing the magic or something like that.

Fabrice Neuman (29:29)
Yeah.

Stephanie Thurrott (29:31)
Bye.

Mm-hmm. And when it's not magical, why isn't it and why are you using it?

Anne Trager (29:51)
Well, exactly. I love that. Okay. I think we have the title of this episode.

Fabrice Neuman (29:59)
Hahaha

Anne Trager (30:02)
So that's it for episode 26. Stephanie, thank you for being so generous with your time. ⁓ Tell us where people can find you and interact with you.

Stephanie Thurrott (30:12)
⁓ well you can find me on Instagram at StephThurrott and also at Eternal Spring and then eternalspring.com is our eternalspringcdmx.com is our ⁓ our sub stack if you're interested in Mexico City and yeah, LinkedIn.

Anne Trager (30:33)
Okay, okay. Well, we'll put your links

Fabrice Neuman (30:33)
We'll put it.

Anne Trager (30:35)
and everything in the show notes.

Stephanie Thurrott (30:38)
Okay, great. Thank you.

Fabrice Neuman (30:39)
Absolutely. Yeah,

so Stephanie, thank you very much. And I want to say officially a second thank you because we were scheduled to do this last week and I ⁓ couldn't do it in last minute. So thank you very much for the rescheduling. I want everybody to know that. And as for the rest, you can visit humanpulsepodcast.com for links to past episodes.

Stephanie Thurrott (30:50)
You're welcome.

Anne Trager (31:05)
Thank you for subscribing and reviewing this. Wherever you listen to your podcasts, helps other people to find us. Please share this with one person who embraces the magic. See you in a couple of weeks.

Fabrice Neuman (31:19)
or still who don't know how to do that, ⁓ right? ⁓ Bye Stephanie and bye everyone.

Anne Trager (31:23)
Yeah

Stephanie Thurrott (31:23)
Bye, thank you guys.